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Tactical-Dillusions · Aug 04, 2005, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Well, i used to farm griffons and rotate to a new area every 2 runs and repeat. I used to get at least 2 gold drops on each run, sometimes as many as 4 gold drops. It was fun to throw away your last gold drop because you just found one that was even better.

Suddenly, after a patch, the drops turned crap. Most runs now contain just a couple of blues or a non-max purple.
Yes, gold drops do show up from time to time and after a FULL day farming i might collect 2-3 max weapons that are actually worth saving. (>50% etc)
Since that nerf, all items that i have unlocked have been on NON-MAX weapons...that's strange in itself! Why should i be unlocking the highest possible upgrades on weapons that are 3-4 points off max?

In my opinion, Anet haven't got a clue and the botters have got Anet around their little finger.
How do Anet respond? Nerf the whole game and screw the "honest farmers" who they claim to endorse.
Their strategy is all wrong and it's very sad indeed.

ArenaNet claim to be a group of folks who have vast experience in gaming yet they failed to perceive farming, botting or ebaying as a reality in online gaming.
C'mon Anet, you have upset a large crowd of honest players yet you never had a backup plan. Disappointing.

Zaklex · Aug 04, 2005, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Tactical-Delusions

ArenaNet claim to be a group of folks who have vast experience in gaming yet they failed to perceive farming, botting or ebaying as a reality in online gaming. C'mon Anet, you have upset a large crowd of honest players yet you never had a backup plan. Disappointing.

Read the EULA, botting and ebaying are not allowed and are banable offense, one of the major objectives was to eliminate the use of bots, hacks, exploits, etc., so they put in a mechanism that helps this and you're upset, darn. Another thing is that it has also always been known that farming was never an object of this game nor an intended expreience. If you can't make enough gold just by going through and explorable for an hour(that includes selling drops and collector parts), then I say you just aren't going to the right areas. It's the anti-botting software, each time you re-enter the same zone drops go down by a percentage until they hit zero, then you have to wait "x" hours for your account to be reset.

zidane888 · Aug 04, 2005, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Zaklex that is truely interesting. This explains why I always get a gold drop when i get home from work and 5 hours later i get nothing. Is this something you have figured out or has Anet explained this before?

Zaklex · Aug 04, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by zidane888

Zaklex that is truely interesting. This explains why I always get a gold drop when i get home from work and 5 hours later i get nothing. Is this something you have figured out or has Anet explained this before?

No I didn't figure this out, it was stated by A.net, and don't ask me to find out where, I'm not going to do your homework.

zidane888 · Aug 04, 2005, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

No I didn't figure this out, it was stated by A.net, and don't ask me to find out where, I'm not going to do your homework.

Nowhere in my post did I ask you to find it, nor do I really care, was just curious thats all...but thx for making my post feel irrelevant.

hydrak · Aug 04, 2005, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Now that griffons are nerfed, let's solo UW. Don't expect any gold/rare item in UW, but you should find quite a few globs of ectoplasm.

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Aug 04, 2005, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by hydrak

Now that griffons are nerfed, let's solo UW. Don't expect any gold/rare item in UW, but you should find quite a few globs of ectoplasm.

I seem to recall a warrior yapping in ToA the other day about trying such a feat.

On a side note, I was gone from the game for three weeks during a move. Before I left ecto was 4k each, and now they are 11k or so. >< I feel so poor now haha.

hydrak · Aug 04, 2005, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by Porkchop Sandwhiches

I seem to recall a warrior yapping in ToA the other day about trying such a feat.

If you see a warrior yapping about soloing UW, chances are he is just yapping.

If you see a monk yapping about it, then you'd better believe it.

Tactical-Dillusions · Aug 04, 2005, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I'm sorry zaklex, i seem to have been misunderstood.

I know the EULA terms and i even try to remind the "less fortunate" players of the same rules whilst ingame

I was trying to state that farmers are being hit with the same "nerf bat" that botters are supposedly being hit with.
Gaile has said on a number of occasions that they don't mind people farming and killing the same monsters over and over (although they didn't originally plan it like that) but it's just a tad unfair to lose some of the fun when ArenaNet would have been less frowned upon by simply having a backup plan with regard to botting.

All the nerfs do is make "repetitive players" ...err...repeat more. Despite the nerfs, i have tonight reached 1 million gold and it made me realise that the most i will ever be able to have is just another 400,000 more.

Point being? If i can get that much gold from my own activities...bots must still be able to get even more, since they don't take a leak, eat or sleep.
Even if their were no rare drops, they would make more than enough "real" money from selling gold in 500k lots.

I am no programming wizard but surely ArenaNet could think of something a little more constructive.

How about every person who leaves a town/outpost has to perform a complicated (but not difficult) task?
Basic arithmatic or copy the letters that you see (like email password verification etc).
There could be lots of possible random things to sway the botters. Change the task often so it takes a human to leave the outpost..not some "learning bot" either.
C'mon Anet, you're smarter than those botting bastages. Smack them down and re-establish your authority over those who profit from YOUR game.

SOT · Aug 04, 2005, 02:16 AM // 02:16

I keep running into these threads, and although I have no direspect for those posting them, I think you hit your head on something hard and sharp as a child.

I have been farming/hunting for mats and gold for my guild and my gear since day one, and this nerfing business simply DOES NOT EXIST FOR ME. I simply have no idea how to prove or disprove all this god damn bitching and whining.

It makes no sense. I never lose drop rates at all. Not ever. I still get yellows, purpeles, runes, etc all the god damned time.

What are you people snorting? Is this some alternate demension where guild wars has it's rewards removed from those who enter/exit a place 900 billion times for a chest or something?

Someone explain to me how, when and where, because so far, all I see is your bullshit...

Krank · Aug 04, 2005, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by SOT

I keep running into these threads, and although I have no direspect for those posting them, I think you hit your head on something hard and sharp as a child.

I have been farming/hunting for mats and gold for my guild and my gear since day one, and this nerfing business simply DOES NOT EXIST FOR ME. I simply have no idea how to prove or disprove all this god damn bitching and whining.

It makes no sense. I never lose drop rates at all. Not ever. I still get yellows, purpeles, runes, etc all the god damned time.

What are you people snorting? Is this some alternate demension where guild wars has it's rewards removed from those who enter/exit a place 900 billion times for a chest or something?

Someone explain to me how, when and where, because so far, all I see is your bullshit...

Precisely what i would have said, but you beat me to it,

I for .. well 2 apparently havent noticed a ...drop... in my drop rate, i still get my choice rares when farming, and earn a fair share of cash

Red Sonya · Aug 04, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

The problem I see and have stated it before, too many people want what Joe Blow has got in the same amount of "DAYS" played vs "TIME" played. Bots are always going to make more than a regular player no matter what they do. So I don't see the point of blaming it on bots. The drop rate needed to be nerfed, hell everyone was making oodles of money per day before the nerf. Well everyone with any sense that is. Now, it's better, whereas if one can make 10k a day (which I can) I think that's plenty enough and gives the game longevity to "farm" more often and be "patient" for the good drops. What happened is A-Net spoilt many people with all the purple and gold drops too fast before and now they are crying cause they don't get two gold drops a run or more everytime through the same zone. Grow up and live with "changes", A-Nets not going to make an immediate turn around after just implementing a new change because of a handful of forum whinners. They will probably give it SIX MONTHS of trial and see how the economy changes and people finally adjust to it. One things for sure new players to the game will never know so they won't be concerned at all. And WORKING now for that 75k armor is much more enjoyable than it was before when it was so easy to aquire the cash to get it. Now all they need to do is stop the Droknars runs for cash and that will pretty much eliminate a big portion of the problems with easy income in the game. No runs, no profit for those who would seek to find the easy income with little effort out of the game.

BigTru · Aug 04, 2005, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Chest Runs > Griffons

Orochim4ru · Aug 04, 2005, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Chest runs don't drop 20 gold items per hour. The merchant in augury must be wondering if i'm crazy selling all those 15>50 items.

Vex · Aug 04, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36

hehe, I still think it is funny that people think the Dev's nerf spots because we tell everyone where to go. Its not like they couldnt go to riverside and go " hmm...Wonder why there are so many Mo/W and W/Mo; I think I will follow them.". I know lots of places to farm. LOTS heh and wait untill the update that Nerfs the hell out of all the Mo/?? because now monks are doing alot of damage in the UW

PhineasToke · Aug 04, 2005, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Lets just sum up how grave the situation has become.

The best and easiest way to make money in PvE is now to run people from town to town. Droknar runners will get more money in one run than I will in 2 hours. And that's just plain CRAP.

That is really sad. The interest in the game as a game has declined to the point that runners are "rushing" players now. Didn't happen in May or June, only recently. I don't think it's the gold at all, I think players have become lazy or just want to accelerate a PVP player.

Sad, it should be banned.

spiritofcat · Aug 04, 2005, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by hydrak

If you see a warrior yapping about soloing UW, chances are he is just yapping.

If you see a monk yapping about it, then you'd better believe it.

Not true.
I can solo UW with an Elementalist, and could do it just as easily with a Warrior.

Scol · Aug 04, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

A warrior with what secondary? ;D

Man I'm just like if people wanna farm, let em do so. I do it, but I don't do it for the money... I just want that uber max weapon/shield and I want to unlock more runes. Plus finding some good stuff for your guildmates is always a good thing.

Yeah I gotta figure out the zoning because often times I get all whites with occasional blues.

Algren Cole · Aug 04, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I used to make a considerable amount of money doing the Undead Horde Mission over and over and over again (it's in Beeteltun). Now I go and fight the undead horde, which is pretty impressive to solo, and 1 out of every 15 undead drops something. It's still good for a quick 200-300 XP if you need a skill point....but it's rediculous that they'd nerf that....there's only 1 character that could even attempt to solo it and it's 100x harder than soloing a couple of Griffons...

I just recently got into farmer....not for the gold because I already have my 15K armor and I'm not interested in that "UBER WEAPON OF DOOM FOR +1 DMG"....I enjoy the skill involved in coming up with a build that works for different areas. There is no "Farm" build...no one build that works everywhere, and its an enjoyment to come up with a build that will work for each area.....but that enjoyment is completely drained when you slaughter a mob of 50 undead and you look around and there's 2 white scythes and 48 gold coins...

kleps · Aug 04, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I just recently got into farmer....not for the gold because I already have my 15K armor and I'm not interested in that "UBER WEAPON OF DOOM FOR +1 DMG"....I enjoy the skill involved in coming up with a build that works for different areas. There is no "Farm" build...no one build that works everywhere, and its an enjoyment to come up with a build that will work for each area.....but that enjoyment is completely drained when you slaughter a mob of 50 undead and you look around and there's 2 white scythes and 48 gold coins...

i know exactly what you mean, i've got 1 build that'll do well in several areas, but i've got several different toons for different purposes.

as for drops, its only fun to do several in a row, then it just gets repetitive and you get your 2 white items and little gold.

i wont discuss where i farm, as its been discussed many times over already.